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printing/mailing by "buy this print" button

Postby Scott Linstead on Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:34 pm

There are a few companies out there that will print stuff to varying sizes and ship it for you. I think, given my low success in print sales in the past, I might warrant a service like this for the occasional print sale -- I also think that once the potential client doesn't have to worry about some guy (me) printing stuff in his basement and getting around to mailing it off, they may be more inclined to buy (since a transaction of this nature is much more reliable and familiar -- unlike contacting someone on a private email address and Paypal-ing money to a stranger, etc.).

My only issue is that these companies (many of which also offer other somewhat tacky services, such as putting your images on coffee cups, mouse pads etc.) ask a fee just to use the service AND take a cut.

Are there any out there that adopt more of a photo agency business model (i.e. just take a cut on every sale -- no annual fee)? Ideally I would also like a cut and paste bit of html that they can provide so that I can easily generate the button on my site.

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Postby lizabeth on Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:48 pm

I've used http://www.redbubble.com in the past. They are aimed at photographers and graphics artists. They only offer prints, framed, etc, calendars and I believe they do t-shirts(mostly for the graphics artists). No annual fee, you set your prices, they take a set amount, so anything you set above that is profit. I've had a few sales through them without any marketing - so I imagine you could have more if you actually marketed it. Here's a link to my red bubble page if you're curious: http://www.redbubble.com/people/elizabethwold
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Postby Scott Linstead on Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:14 pm

Thanks, Beth! Given that you are in the US and they are in Australia, were the shipping costs very high or were all your sales down under?
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Postby lizabeth on Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:23 pm

Hmmm... I hadn't looked at Red Bubble in a while(I'm trying to sell prints from my website instead), and I was under the impression they had a shipping location in the US... So I looked and yes they do, but it looks like only t-shirts are printed and shipped from the US.

As far as my sales: my biggest sale was to an unknown person(if they don't have a redbubble account you don't get to find out anything about them). So I don't know where they were located, only that it was a large framed print of a lake in Minnesota... so I assumed someone from that area... but then again... maybe somebody down under has a big framed print of a MN Lake over their fireplace! :-) My second biggest sale was to someone in England, so it's probably just as easy to send from down under then from the US.

I checked the shipping prices, and for a 24x16 print matted and framed it costs US$14.74 for 10 to 15 days shipping(I believe there's additional manufacturing times involved too). So the price ain't bad for that size and the time isn't too bad either(I probably would take that long to do it myself). However, if all your prints are North American, and all your clients are North American it might seem odd to your clients if their stuff comes from Australia... don't know.
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Postby Kari Post on Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:59 pm

MPix now offers print fulfillment through ZenFolio. I'm not sure what their terms are, but MPix usually has a pretty good product.

In the past, when I did sports photography, I used eventpictures.com, and they had a very easy and affordable plan with fair fees. I think they had decent prints too. However, its been probably 4-5 years since I last used them, so keep that in mind.
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Postby John Labrenz on Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:46 am

@Scott;

I'm not affiliated with these guys...but just ran across them the other day.

http://fineartamerica.com/

They offer full Print on Demand services, low annual fee, are US based, and seem to be under-represented photographically.
Again, no first hand experience with them...but probably worth a look to see if they can fill your needs as a marketing outlet.

If I was ever able to produce anything worth selling....I might be tempted to give them a try...LOL!
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Postby Scott Linstead on Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:59 pm

Thanks Kari and John!

I just signed up with fineartamerica.com -- they do have an annual fee but it is a quite reasonable $30. They seem to be very close to what I was hoping for.

I will report my experiences on this thread.

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Postby John Labrenz on Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:14 pm

@Scott;
Yes, definately post your experiences here....would be most interested.
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Postby Scott Linstead on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:59 pm

Hey John,

I have started a small gallery at fineartamerica. There were a few minor hiccups, but I got it going. There seems to be a bit of an issue with file size, even though they say uploads up to 20Mb are fine, I had trouble with a few failed uploads on 6Mb files. I have a minor pirnt sale that I made on my own before I signed up and I am going to put it through this service just to see what turns up on the buyer's end.

http://fineartamerica.com/shop/scott-linstead.html

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Postby ebkw on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:50 am

I'll be interested to hear how it goes, Scott, as my concern is about shipping to Canada from the US and the buyer paying duty, if applicable, and tax, plus shipping and customs fee.
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Re: printing/mailing by "buy this print" button

Postby Scott Linstead on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:11 pm

Hi Eleanor. I'll be sure to let you know as soon as the situations arises where the client is in Canada. So far, someone in the US bought a 24X36" print. I already had the client before I signed up for this service. They seemed quite satisfied and even the basic UPS, if domestic within the US, is surprisingly fast.

On a somewhat unrelated issue, one of the artists using the service raked me over the coals about my archerfish image: made for a good laugh that I thought I'd share here. Every other unsolicited commentary from the other users was of a positive nature. But I decided a few months ago to never post an image for critique here or elsewhere. Why? That's a subject for another thread. In the case below, it is almost comical how negativity can just seek you out.

"Hi Scott

I am an amateur photographer myself and also a biologist who studies archerfish. I came across your photo today and was dissappointed by the fact that your photo is severely doctored/modified. If you want to make your 'artwork' more realistic you need to move your archerfish closer to the surface as the mouth breaks the surface when they spit.

Cheers"

my response:

"Before you send out the lynch mob, check out this series of earlier images from my set-up. The position relative to the surface during spitting appears to vary with the size of the fish, the point in time during the spit that the image is captured and a number of other variables that I cannot quite discern even by looking at thousands of takes that I have in my files. Here's a few that I pulled to illustrate how the stream can continue to flow even if the mouth is no longer breached. Particularly DSC_2736: imagine how much trouble I must have went through to cleverly move the fish around in a shot with a clipped fish in the corner and a filthy aquarium window, just to carry on the facade of inaccurately spitting archerfish positions. What you are seeing there is one fish at the beginning or end of its spitting cycle and another mid-cycle. Is it not conceivable that thrust of the water can exert an equal and opposite force against the fish's buoyancy force, thereby pushing him downwards during the spitting? Look at Stephen Dalton's famous image where the fish is just barely breaching the surface. You can also note that the stream is very thin at the bottom indicating that the fish was at the end of its squirt and so there would be no more 'recoil' to push against buoyancy and drop him a fraction of an inch below the breach position. But, in my image, the fish is still in mid stream and hence being forced back from the recoil.

I am surprised the accusatory stance amateur photogs seem to take on when they think they've 'done the research'. I can assure you that the original image is real and accurately represents the position of the fish during the spitting cycle for that fish under those circumstances. Maybe you can include these new revelations in your post-doc work. ;) "

Here's the image he/she was refering to

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Postby Neil Losin on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:54 pm

Scott Linstead wrote:Maybe you can include these new revelations in your post-doc work. ;)


Haha, Scott, your last sentence is priceless!
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Re: printing/mailing by "buy this print" button

Postby Scott Linstead on Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:26 pm

Neil Losin wrote:
Scott Linstead wrote:Maybe you can include these new revelations in your post-doc work. ;)


Haha, Scott, your last sentence is priceless!


Funny thing about that: Later on I was telling the story to my brother and we were in front of the computer, so I did a search on his name. Turns out that the guy is actually some kind of archerfish expert and has done his post-doc work on archerfish!
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Re: printing/mailing by "buy this print" button

Postby Tim Grams on Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:30 pm

Scott Linstead wrote:
Neil Losin wrote:
Scott Linstead wrote:Maybe you can include these new revelations in your post-doc work. ;)


Haha, Scott, your last sentence is priceless!


Funny thing about that: Later on I was telling the story to my brother and we were in front of the computer, so I did a search on his name. Turns out that the guy is actually some kind of archerfish expert and has done his post-doc work on archerfish!



Oops! :mrgreen: Hopefully you were able to extract your foot from your mouth, or keyboard in this case, without too much trouble. :lol:

Fine Art America does look well designed and user friendly. Their search returns were rather disappointing- lots of returns that had nothing to do with the search topic. The quality of many of the photos, to be blunt, is pretty lousy. In a search for "bear" or "grizzly bear" many of the images appeared to be taken at the local zoo with a point and shoot. As a buyer, I would quickly be turned off by having to wade through so much chaff looking for a good image.

Of course the positive side is that with very good images like yours, they should easily stand out from the crowd.
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Postby Scott Linstead on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:23 pm

Thanks, Tim

It's true that the photography is pretty poor over there. It's mostly a traditional artist's community. Thankfully, I was not hoping to have them market the prints for me -- I was really just looking for a third party to do the printing, framing and shipping for me since I don't sell many prints. When someone asks for one that means I have to dust off the Epson, go to the post office and the whole operation is just a PITA for very little profit. And, if you link from your own website to your gallery at fineartamerica, the potential client cannot see any other products other than yours, so crappy photos won't be able to bring yours down. Of course, if the client goes straight to fineartamerica looking for photos, that's another story.

As for the archerfish expert, even though he's qualified, he was still wrong in his hypothesis -- and quite rude and confrontational for that matter! :) But, he emailed me back today and was apologetic as you can expect a PhD to be -- he said that the behavior I photographed (which he accused me of Photoshopping) was not documented in the published research. I reciprocated and offered to send him the out takes to aid in his research. Some people need to be called on their rudeness and then suddenly become quite respectful.
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Postby John Labrenz on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:25 pm

@Scott;
When you said they were "quite satisfied"...are you speaking of the Fine Art America service...or a previous experience?

@Tim Grams;
I too noted that the photo quality was lacking both in quality and also in quantity....but your comment that very good images will clearly stand out above the others is exactly why I think it may be a site to consider.

One of the key elements here is...How is their quality of service?
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Postby Scott Linstead on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:35 pm

John Labrenz wrote:@Scott;
When you said they were "quite satisfied"...are you speaking of the Fine Art America service...or a previous experience?

One of the key elements here is...How is their quality of service?


John,

I was refering to the quality of the service as reported by that one person who ordered a print from me. The person is an amateur photographer and commented favorably on the quality of the print. Also, the shipping delay was minimal.
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Postby John Labrenz on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:37 pm

Thx Scott...sounds positive then...
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